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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:20 am    Post subject: Starting the engine Reply with quote

Hi,

I have a problem when I try to start the engine. Now, I have a Rotrex C30 supercharger with 750cc RC and the car doesnīt start.

Itīs a bit weird because the MAP sensor itīs the 4 bar from you (Hondata) and with the engine off, it shows a 230mBar of pressure in the intake manifold (seems ok, like vacuum). But if I put the stock ones, (and select it in the calibration), it shows a value of ambient pressure 930mBar.

But with the stock sensor the car can start. It has a doubtful idle, and after 5 seconds the AFR goes to lean quickly ( thatīs when I stopped the engine).

I donīt know if the sensor itīs faulty, and I donīt know why can start with one sensor and not with the 4 Bar. Because the calibration itīs the same for both except selecting the sensor.

What can I do to make it start? I tried to add and remove fuel in the field "cranking fuel trim" but it doesnīt make anything.

The calibration itīs the inital map form TTS performance. Iīve attached the calibration. The only thing I did, was change the size injectors to 750cc and select the 4Bar MAP sensor.

Thanks for the help.
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Hondata
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you change the MAP sensor type to stock when you put the stock MAP sensor in? If not, do this and datalog a couple of seconds of cranking.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hondata wrote:
Did you change the MAP sensor type to stock when you put the stock MAP sensor in? If not, do this and datalog a couple of seconds of cranking.


Yes, I changed the sensor type according to the sensor was put on it.

When the MAP sensor type was crossover with the MAP sensor, it showed a very low value 20mBar and in the other case 2 Bar aproximately.

What do you suggest to do?

Thanks.
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nunoctr



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what version of flaspro manager are you using?

download the last version from this site and afer upload again the calibration to the ecu.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nunoctr wrote:
what version of flaspro manager are you using?

download the last version from this site and afer upload again the calibration to the ecu.


Ok, Iīll try the latest one.
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civicRSA



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Location: South Africa

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly your fuel tables as well as the cranking fuel tables look very lean.

Secondly what is the brand of your 4bar sensor? I suggest you get a Hondata 4bar sensor
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

civicRSA wrote:
Firstly your fuel tables as well as the cranking fuel tables look very lean.

Secondly what is the brand of your 4bar sensor? I suggest you get a Hondata 4bar sensor


The MAP sensor itīs from Hondata.

Where did you saw the cranking fuel tables? Because the only thing to modify the cranking fuel that I saw, was the cranking fuel trim.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look in the calibration window. Look under fuel there will be a cranking fuel table.

Where did you get that calibration from?
The fuel looks even to lean for a NA motor.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

civicRSA wrote:
If you look in the calibration window. Look under fuel there will be a cranking fuel table.

Where did you get that calibration from?
The fuel looks even to lean for a NA motor.


Itīs a base calibration from TTS. I knew that I had to optimize the map, but at least it would started.

I think that my FPM version (1.1.3) itīs a bit old.

These days Iīll post any advance on it.

Thanks for the response.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another issue here. Iīve lost the Flashpro, and a friend of mine lent me
his FP to try to move the car. He returned to stock his car, but when
I plug in my car and try to lock the FP shows the message that contains an unrecognized calibration. And adds the calibration ID 'CIV-SI-RC-1131'

What can I do? Because I ordered another FP, but I need to unlock the ECU from my lost FP.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Download the most recent version of software from our website.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spunkster wrote:
Download the most recent version of software from our website.


The issue with the locked FP was with the 1.1.5.6. I couldnīt try to start again the car with the new version, because I lost it before I updated the FPM.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post the claibration you have uploaded in the ECU.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spunkster wrote:
Post the claibration you have uploaded in the ECU.


The calibration that I tried to upload was the same that in the first post (a
few mods on the fuel and cranking).

Finally I put the other ECU that i have (the stock ones) to continue
working on the car.

Hereīs a datalog with the stock sensor. Look how it becomes leaner after a
while.
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Itsuki



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At last, the car started. I had to upload a new base calibration for 750cc injectors and adjust a little bit the cranking table. Now I have a leak in the intake manifold because itīs not compatible with the Hondata gasket.

Tonight Iīll upload some datalogs. The idle itīs always moving, but I think itīs the leak.
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